{"id":2322,"date":"2023-05-30T00:00:57","date_gmt":"2023-05-29T22:00:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/politeia.unimi.it\/2023\/05\/30\/aristoph-lys-335-343-1043-1053-ed-perusino-i-cittadini-e-le-donne-411-a-c\/"},"modified":"2025-12-22T01:26:21","modified_gmt":"2025-12-22T00:26:21","slug":"aristoph-lys-335-343-1043-1053-ed-perusino-i-cittadini-e-le-donne-411-a-c","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/politeia.unimi.it\/en\/2023\/05\/30\/aristoph-lys-335-343-1043-1053-ed-perusino-i-cittadini-e-le-donne-411-a-c\/","title":{"rendered":"Aristophanes, Lys. 335-343, 1043-1053 (ed. Perusino). Citizens and women (411 BCE)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At vv. 335\u2013343 of the <em>Lysistrata<\/em>, the semicorps of old women reports having heard that the old men (comprising the other semicorps) were planning to set fire to the entrance of the Acropolis, with the aim of forcing the women to surrender\u2014either by burning them or by suffocating them. The goddess Athena is then invoked, with the prayer that she preserve the <em>gynaikes<\/em> unharmed, since they are the only ones capable of freeing both Greece and the <em>politai<\/em> from the <em>polemou maniai<\/em> (\u201cmadnesses of war\u201d). This opposition between <em>gynaikes<\/em> and <em>politai<\/em> demonstrates that the former were not automatically associated with the group of <em>politai<\/em>\u2014a term which here clearly refers to males alone, afflicted by the <em>polemou maniai<\/em> either as combatants or as supporters of the war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Later, at vv. 1043\u20131050, when the two semicorps have been happily reunited and have resolved their quarrel, the chorus decides that they will no longer insult any among the <em>politai<\/em>. In this instance, women are evidently included (since the old men are also speaking), but it is noteworthy that a few lines later the chorus explicitly specifies that it addresses both men and women\u2014further evidence that, for the play\u2019s audience, women were not automatically included among the <em>politai<\/em>, a term with a more specifically institutional meaning and a clearly defined gendered connotation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<pre class=\"wp-block-verse\">a. 335-343<br><br>XO\u03a1\u039f\u03a3 \u0393\u03a1\u0391\u03a9\u039d<br><br>335\t\u1f24\u03ba\u03bf\u03c5\u03c3\u03b1 \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u03c4\u03c5\u03c6\u03bf\u03b3\u03ad\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd- <br>\t\u03c4\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f04\u03bd\u03b4\u03c1\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f14\u03c1\u03c1\u03b5\u03b9\u03bd, \u03c3\u03c4\u03b5\u03bb\u03ad\u03c7\u03b7<br>\t\u03c6\u03ad\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f65\u03c3\u03c0\u03b5\u03c1 \u03b2\u03b1\u03bb\u03b1\u03bd\u03b5\u03cd\u03c3\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1\u03c2<br>\t\u03b5\u1f30\u03c2 \u03c0\u03cc\u03bb\u03b9\u03bd \u1f61\u03c2 \u03c4\u03c1\u03b9\u03c4\u03ac\u03bb\u03b1\u03bd\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd \u03b2\u03ac\u03c1\u03bf\u03c2,<br>\t\u03b4\u03b5\u03b9\u03bd\u03cc\u03c4\u03b1\u03c4\u2019 \u1f00\u03c0\u03b5\u03b9\u03bb\u03bf\u1fe6\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f10\u03c0\u1ff6\u03bd,<br>340\t\u1f61\u03c2 \u03c0\u03c5\u03c1\u1f76 \u03c7\u03c1\u1f74 \u03c4\u1f70\u03c2 \u03bc\u03c5\u03c3\u03b1\u03c1\u1f70\u03c2 \u03b3\u03c5\u03bd\u03b1\u1fd6\u03ba\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f00\u03bd\u03b8\u03c1\u03b1\u03ba\u03af\u03b6\u03b5\u03b9\u03bd.  <br>\t\u1f05\u03c2, \u1f66 \u03b8\u03b5\u03ac, \u03bc\u03ae \u03c0\u03bf\u03c4\u2019 \u1f10\u03b3\u1f7c \u2019\u03bc\u03c0\u03b9\u03bc\u03c0\u03c1\u03b1\u03bc\u03ad\u03bd\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f34\u03b4\u03bf\u03b9\u03bc\u03b9,<br>\t\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u1f70 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u03ad\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03bc\u03b1\u03bd\u03b9\u1ff6\u03bd \u1fe5\u03c5\u03c3\u03b1\u03bc\u03ad\u03bd\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f19\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac\u03b4\u03b1 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u03af\u03c4\u03b1\u03c2.\t<br><br><br><br>Chorus of Old<br>Women:<br>For I have heard that the doddering old men<br>are on the march, bearing logs<br>\u2014as if on their way to take a bath\u2014<br>weighing three talents apiece,<br>uttering the most dreadful threats in their words:<br>that these accursed women must be reduced to embers by fire.<br>O goddess, may I never behold them burning,<br>but rather rescuing Greece and the politai<br>from the madnesses of war.<br><br><br><br><br>b. 1043-1053<br><br>\t\u03a7\u039f\u03a1\u039f\u03a3<br><br>1043\/4\tO\u1f50 \u03c0\u03b1\u03c1\u03b1\u03c3\u03ba\u03b5\u03c5\u03b1\u03b6\u03cc\u03bc\u03b5\u03c3\u03b8\u03b1 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u03b9\u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u03ad\u03bd\u2019, \u1f66\u03bd-<br>1045\t\u03b4\u03c1\u03b5\u03c2, \u03c6\u03bb\u03b1\u1fe6\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd \u03b5\u1f30\u03c0\u03b5\u1fd6\u03bd \u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u1f72 \u1f15\u03bd,   <br>\t\t\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u1f70 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u1f7a \u03c4\u03bf\u1f54\u03bc\u03c0\u03b1\u03bb\u03b9\u03bd <br>\t\t\u03c0\u03ac\u03bd\u03c4\u2019 \u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u1f70 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03bb\u03ad\u03b3\u03b5\u03b9\u03bd<br>\t\t\u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03b4\u03c1\u1fb6\u03bd\u00b7 \u1f31\u03ba\u03b1\u03bd\u1f70 \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u03c4\u1f70 \u03ba\u03b1\u03ba\u1f70 <br>\t\t\u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c4\u1f70 \u03c0\u03b1\u03c1\u03b1\u03ba\u03b5\u03af\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03b1,<br>1050a\t\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u2019 \u1f10\u03c0\u03b1\u03b3\u03b3\u03b5\u03bb\u03bb\u03ad\u03c4\u03c9 <br>1050b\t\u03c0\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f00\u03bd\u1f74\u03c1 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03b3\u03c5\u03bd\u03ae,<br>\t\t\u03b5\u1f34 \u03c4\u03b9\u03c2 \u1f00\u03c1\u03b3\u03c5\u03c1\u03af\u03b4\u03b9\u03bf\u03bd  <br>\t\t\u03b4\u03b5\u1fd6\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u03bb\u03b1\u03b2\u03b5\u1fd6\u03bd, \u03bc\u03bd\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f22 \u03b4\u03cd\u2019 \u1f22<br>\t\t\u03c4\u03c1\u03b5\u1fd6\u03c2.<br><br>We are not preparing to say anything<br>ill of any among the politai, gentlemen,<br>but quite the contrary:<br>to speak and to do only what is good,<br>for the evils already at hand are more than enough.<br>Rather, let every man and every woman<br>proclaim if they are in need<br>of a small sum of silver\u2014<br>a mina or two, or three.<br><br><\/pre>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>A. Bierl, <em>Der Chor in der Alten Kom<\/em><em>\u00f6<\/em><em>die. Ritual und Performativit<\/em><em>\u00e4<\/em><em>t, <\/em>M\u00fcnchen \u2013 Leipzig 2001<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A.L. Bonnette, <em>The Politica<\/em><em>l<\/em><em> Wisdom o<\/em><em>f <\/em><em>Women in Aristophanes: A Study o<\/em><em>f<\/em><em> Lysistrate, Ecclesiazus\u00e0e and Thesmophoriazusae<\/em>, Diss. Boston 1989.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>D. Konstan, <em>Aristophanes&#8217; Lysistrata: women and the body politic<\/em> in S. Halliwell, J. Henderson, A.H. Sommerstein, B. Zimmermann (edd.), <em>Tragedy, Comedy and the Polis. Papers <\/em><em>fr<\/em><em>om the Greek Drama Conference (Nottingham, 18-28 July 1990)<\/em>, Bari 1993, 431-44.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>N. Loraux, <em>Aristophane, les femmes d\u2019Ath\u00e8nes et le th\u00e9<\/em><em>\u00e2<\/em><em>tre <\/em>in J.M. Bremer-E.W. Handley (edd.), <em>Aristophane. Sept expos\u00e9s suivis de discussions par E. Degani, T. Gelzer, E. W Handley, J.M. Bremer, K.J. Dover, N. Loraux, B. Zimmermann<\/em>, Vandreuvres-Gen\u00e8ve 1993, 203-253<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>G. Mastromarco, <em>Introduzione a Aristofane, <\/em>Roma \u2013 Bari 1994<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>F. Perusino, S. Beta, <em>Aristofane. Lisistrata, <\/em>Milano 2020<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>F. Sartori, <em>Salvezza della polis e salvezza dell&#8217;Ellade nel teatro di Aristofane<\/em> in I. Velissaropoulou-Karakosta, S. Troianos, K. Bourdara, M. Stathopoulos (edd.), <em>\u03a4\u03b9\u03bc\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f38\u03c9\u03ac\u03bd\u03bd\u03bf\u03c5 \u03a4\u03c1\u03b9\u03b1\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1\u03c6\u03c5\u03bb\u03bb\u03bf\u03c0\u03bf\u03cd\u03bb\u03bf\u03c5<\/em>, Athina-Komotini 2000, 77-88<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A. H. Sommerstein, <em>Lysistrata, <\/em>Warminster 1990<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At vv. 335\u2013343 of the Lysistrata, the semicorps of old women reports having heard that the old men (comprising the other semicorps) were planning to set fire to the entrance of the Acropolis, with the aim of forcing the women to surrender\u2014either by burning them or by suffocating them. 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